at the terms of a new economic force in the world. they probably need the african governments to safeguard what they have one after years, decades, a couple centuries to european powers and make sure they do not sell them, but as far as economic trading relationships are concerned, material, in exchange for technology, in exchange even for political alliances, i always wondered about that. tavis: made the argument is because free enterprise and colonization sometimes goes hand in hand. in africa and parts of the world under the guise of free enterprise. >> unfortunately, it does not stand the test of argument. if you say it is a free market. then they must leave the african countries to seek the best conditions for their own development. there are similar aspects of chinese policy, backing some very villainess governments, but that does not mean we should repeat. tavis: the u.s. has been guilty of it as well. >> france, england, germany, the u.s., of course, even the soviet union. >> -- tavis: that is my point. everybody seems to be guilty of that over the course of history. i am glad you took

strength? >> you want to favor the systems. unfortunately, the more the government becomes intrusive, the more things have to follow a script. it cannot handle this type of system. we are in a situation today where a lot of countries got there because of trial and error. it does not work that way. there are other problems involved, which is a moral hazard. in the past, people were harmed by their own mistakes. today, we're starting to see a wedge between those who benefit from a mistake and those who are harmed by it. bankers, for example, are not harmed by their mistakes. we have a lack of skin in the game. the world is not as stable as i would like to be. tavis: is that why you argue that bankers should not receive bonuses if they take federal funds? >> bonuses for bankers from allies is the system. someone has an upside -- on the other hand, they transfer the downside -- april 15, we pay for bankers' bonuses in directly. a lot of the problems we have today comes from that structure. the system became very fragile because some people had a vested interest in engaging in risky strat

with the government. until the system changes, the people will never benefit from absolute freedom, basically. they trade with the entire world, but the country is an economic mess, because it is a centralized government. the people are not free to be entrepreneurs, to have opinions, to travel. it is a mess. unfortunately, it is one of those regimes. there has not been an election in over 50 years. this is a project i have been developing a couple of years, with hillary hemingway, his niece. it deals with the last 10 years of his life in cuba, during the time he wrote "the old man and the c." it is a film we have been financing for a couple of years. i have the honor to have support from sir anthony hopkins and annette bening. we are coming not to the finish line, but to the beginning. the finish line is at the end. it is an interesting place now. if you are in independent film, you have to go which it almost span the globe over there. you have to bring money from all over the world to make a movie these days. it takes time. especially when the project is ambitious, in terms of budget. tavis:

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